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ChatGPT as educator?

In my earlier post, I attempted to “assess” CG the way I might assess a student. This assessment led me to the uncomfortable conclusion, that, in this case, it was indeed a very good, albeit uninteresting, student. It was the kind who tells me exactly what I just taught them and then loop this back to myself. It was a perfect artificial student and I do not need any of those.

I closed the post with a question to open a different line of investigation. Shoud I treat ChatGPT (CG from now on, as type of a social fact often glossed as “AI”) as an “educator”? Or, at least, in Cremin’s phrase, an “educational institution.” The answer has to be “Perhaps…. but…”

What kind of educator might CG be? To answer this, an anthropologist wonders about what it is actually used for. By every account it is used for a lot of stuff, including some stuff many people think it should not be used to, or should be prevented from doing. I have used it most successfully for technical questions about programming details. I know advanced programmers use it extensively for this. I have collected stories from acquaintances about their use of CG. I watched generated videos on YouTube. I know of a young close relative of mine, who used it explore, while confined at home during “Covid,” marxism-leninism and the history of Russia, as well as neo-naziism around the world—with no guidance or control from any other person. Many use it to check their written English. And everyone, from government officials, to journalists, to everyone with whom I talked can be produce extended discourses about the good or bad of CG. It is undoubtedly a “total social fact” no one can escape.

The part of me who teaches Rancière to make students aware of all aspects of education that escapes the State can only celebrate all this. CG might be the ultimate “ignorant school master”—except that it is one that knows everything! So, CG is more like an infinite library open day and night, 24/7 to anyone interested to browse through it. It is a library with an altogether kind librarian that keeps close track of what one has explored and responds to further investigations with an encouraging “this a good question, let me think” before summarizing what one might have read and, perhaps, send one into a further investigation deepening the initial one.

But CG is not at all like the, Jacotot, the schoolmaster who inspired Rancière. This schoolmaster may be ignorant of the topic interesting to a student but he is actively involved in prodding their will to continue searching and reaching a new mastery. By contrast, so far at least, CG is silent until one asks. This silence is actually, for me, just what I want from a library, and an assistant librarian. I use CG regularly because it is indeed a a powerful tool for an intellectual, a major advance over Google.

But this silence or relative passivity also suggests that CG is not an “educator” in any of the usual senses. It is not a teacher. It is not a master. It is not a mentor. It does not have a curriculum. It does not mete consequences.

To push this, I asked ChatGPT “what should I know about the creationism museum”? Having visited it, I can say that answer was clear, succinct, as well as expanding on the controversies surrounding it. And CG ended as usual, with suggestions for further explorations: “If you want, I can also summarize how this museum is seen by scientific organizations or provide tips for visiting (hours, ticketing, best time to go).” There were links to further sources.for the theoretically inclined this is an instance of the “instruction writer” limits sketched by Garfinkel (2002: Chapter 6).
But there was no clear indication that using the answers “naively,” as one might use other answers, might land one in very dangerous interactional or political settings. CG, so far, does not (cannot?) know the social contexts within which its answers might be used.

“We” (teachers, professors, educators…) must, at least, warn our students…

On educating a democratic public, democratically

Soon after Lawrence Cremin published Public education (1976), I gushed about the book to a senior colleague.  He did not like any aspect of the book because, as I remember he put it, Cremin made of education a form of “brain-washing.”  My colleague claimed Paulo Freire and, I guess, an alternate view of what it means to educate, democratically.

I must say I was astonished.  My take then, and I have not changed my mind, was that Cremin asks something surprising from us who are given the task to design education for the public.  He asks us to pay attention to what people are doing, in the streets and alleys of the world, far from the halls where pedagogy and curriculum are discussed.

I was astonished that my colleague had not noticed that Cremin was asking us to look at the crowds around us and was criticizing the John Dewey of Democracy and education ([1916] 1966) for not imagining any other educational institution than than the State sponsored school.  I could see how a very unsympathetic critic might notice that Dewey, as a philosopher who also read the psychologies and social sciences of his time, was quite sure as to what to teach the masses settling in the United States that they should learn to participate in an American democracy.  By Chapter 7, Dewey, unapologetically, claims an aim, a “Good Aim.”  In brief, in language Teachers College still uses (though we might wonder about mention of a “social ideal” and the measurement of “the worth of a form of social life”):
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Practical assessments, perhaps

This is my third entry developing some of the points we discussed during the mini-conference on the future of assessment (held on April 11, 2011).  The first two entries (on audiences, and on utopias), and in my initial one before the conference (on political philosophy) were essentially analytic with a definite pessimistic lean.  (School) assessments are bad for the health, and yet they are here to stay given all the powers they serve—including idealistic ones.

Robbie McClintock re-started me on a different track I briefly explored in my last contributions (2010) to the series on Comprehensive Education Ed Gordon and I edited (2008, 2009, 2010).  There I mused about possibilities for forms of institutionalized education that did not proceed from schools.  I am convinced that adults gain their most significant knowledge (about, say, health, emerging scientific and engineering developments, trends in high and popular culture, etc.) from institutions (for example, journalists and television reporters or producers) that are not controlled by the State.  Most of these institutions do not present themselves as primarily in the education business.  But perhaps they should, and draw the consequences.

McClintock emphasized the Web as another source of an education that is not necessarily packaged as, precisely, “education” but perhaps only as “information,” “entertainment,” etc.  Some writers and producers for the Web may present themselves as educating but none, at this moment assess what one may learn by reading their offerings.  Yet, as McClintock pointed out, the new technologies, as they are evolving, afford for possibilities for ongoing, real time assessment that older technologies (for example the printing press) do not afford.

This is intriguing.  Time for a little science fiction.

Imagine a new Google service.  At this moment, Google answers questions of the type “where can I find about X?”  Whether the seeker is satisfied or not with the answer, whatever the seeker does with answer, Google remains silent after providing a list of possible answers ranked by Google’s best guess as to the seeker’s intent.  If the seeker is dissatisfied, he may ask again and Google will answer, but Google has no memory of what this seeker asked and Google’s answers will not evolve as answers do evolve when, say, a child ask a parent about X.  So, last week, while writing my preceding blog entry, I looked for the creationism museum I had read about.  I entered “creationism” in the Google box (search page saved on of 4/20/2011), clicked on the first of 3,150,000 results (a suspiciously ‘round’ number), and found myself in the Wikipedia entry that started, on that day, with “creationism is the religious belief …”  There are no links to the museum in that entry, and so I asked Google again, found that it was second in its list of possibilities (and I also found out, serendipitously, a “Conservapedia” with an entry on creationism that is close but interestingly different from Wikipedia’s.  I am, of course, on my way to educating myself about creationism—not so much as a belief but as an institution with, among others, curricula experts quite deliberately teaching that which School people are quite sure should not be taught.  But Google never intervened in my education.

Imagine that Google did intervene.  Imagine that Google, as run by some revolutionary government, traced my queries, adapted its answers to my renewed queries and, mor or less insistently started asking me about my beliefs and worked at correcting them.  Parents do this with their children.  And school teachers do this with their pupils.  Why shouldn’t Google?

I suspect that the technological infrastructure of such a service is already in place and that it would not take much tweaking of the various flavors of social software already available to make them serve the new function.

The challenge is multiply institutional.  Who is to start it? Fund it? Control it?  Who is to credential (authorize) the persons or software assessing self-sought knowledge in real time?  Who is to establish the curriculum and it goals to which seekers are to be brought back even as they explored far and wide?  Individuals, clubs, associations, etc., may already provide feedback in the sense that their web sites are less informational than argumentative.  For example, the fifth set of links to ‘creationism’ on Google mostly lead to “atheist” web sites specifically addressing creationist links and debunking the claims.

I have never heard of States getting into this as deliberately as States get in the business of setting school curriculum.

The libertarian and anarchist in me whispers: why would you want the State to get involved?  The school critic from the left and the neo-liberal from the right might ask the same question.  States have a wonderfully awful (or is it awfully wonderful?) track record of setting the curriculum for the mass populations they govern.  Why would they do better with real time ongoing assessment than they have with the usual forms of test or examination based assessments for which schools are (in-)famous?

The statist in me begs to differ.  Free, state regulated, public schools have done much that is good in transforming what is to count as the knowledge on which public and private lives should be based, as well as the means for the production of such knowledge.  Rationally based, modernist (?) expertise should probably remain at the core of what States support, propagate, and assess as, precisely, rationally based.  If Latour (1993 [1991]) is correct, “We may never have been modern.”  Modernism itself is a cultural construction that must be reconstituted on an ongoing basis to remain the order of the day.  True enough, but what else might we wish to build?

What ongoing assessment software should be now build?